[Trilinos-Users] [EXTERNAL] slow anasazi in NOX::Epetra

Day, David dmday at sandia.gov
Fri Nov 29 13:13:35 MST 2013

I too am sorry for my ignorance.  I am not sure how to diagnose solver issues through a parameter list either. Today is a US holiday.  We night need to wait a little for help.
--David Day

From: Veltz Romain <romain.veltz at inria.fr<mailto:romain.veltz at inria.fr>>
Date: Thursday, November 28, 2013 5:24 AM
To: David Day <dmday at sandia.gov<mailto:dmday at sandia.gov>>
Cc: "Thornquist, Heidi K" <hkthorn at sandia.gov<mailto:hkthorn at sandia.gov>>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [Trilinos-Users] slow anasazi in NOX::Epetra


I am sorry for my ignorance but I don't know how to look at the number of times that GMRES restart.

Teuchos::ParameterList& nlPrintParams = nlParams.sublist("Printing");
nlPrintParams.set("Output Precision",3);
nlPrintParams.set("Output Processor",0);
nlPrintParams.set("Output Information",0 +
//NOX::Utils::OuterIteration +
//NOX::Utils::OuterIterationStatusTest +
//NOX::Utils::InnerIteration +
//NOX::Utils::Details +
NOX::Utils::StepperIteration +
//NOX::Utils::StepperDetails +
//NOX::Utils::StepperParameters +
NOX::Utils::LinearSolverDetails +

Is it the way?

Thank you again for your help to you and Heidi


On Nov 27, 2013, at 5:27 PM, "Day, David" <dmday at sandia.gov<mailto:dmday at sandia.gov>> wrote:

There is no simple answer.   One issue that is mostly independent is simply the efficiency of the linear solve.   Here look for the number of times that GMRES must restart.   The other issues relate more directly to Anasazi.   There is a natural conflict between continuation methods and iterative linear solvers.   The continuation method drives the Jacobian matrix to be singular,  in many cases.   Loca is carefully designed to mitigate this issue, but I guess that this is why you are solving an eigenvalue problem.

You might send this to the Anasazi mailing list for more discussion.  Block Size one is a good guess, unless for some reason your problem has multiple eigenvalues.  You might try a much larger value of Num Blocks.   You might also try to experiment with the Convergence Tolerance.   There is also a trade off between the linear solver and Anasazi;  a more accurate linear solves (smaller "Tolerance") increases the cost per linear solve and can decrease the number of Anasazi iterations.

-David Day
From: Veltz Romain <romain.veltz at inria.fr<mailto:romain.veltz at inria.fr>>
Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:02 AM
To: "trilinos-users at software.sandia.gov<mailto:trilinos-users at software.sandia.gov>" <trilinos-users at software.sandia.gov<mailto:trilinos-users at software.sandia.gov>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Trilinos-Users] slow anasazi in NOX::Epetra

Hello All,

I am doing a continuation in the NOX:Epetra interface with a Epetra_OPerator for the Jacobian. As a bi-product, I am computing the eigenvalues of the Jacobian at each step using the following piece of code.

Teuchos::ParameterList& aList = locaStepperList.sublist("Eigensolver");
aList.set("Method", "Anasazi");
aList.set("Sorting Order", "LM");  //
aList.set("Block Size", 1);//1        // Size of blocks, ie Krylov subspace
aList.set("Num Blocks", 20);//15       // Size of Arnoldi factorization: = 3 nev
aList.set("Num Eigenvalues", 5);   // Number of eigenvalues
aList.set("Convergence Tolerance", 1.0e-7);          // Tolerance
aList.set("Step Size", 1);         // How often to check convergence
aList.set("Maximum Restarts",20);  // Maximum number of restarts

Fore the linear solver, the options are here:

Teuchos::ParameterList& lsParams = newParams.sublist("Linear Solver");
lsParams.set("Aztec Solver", "GMRES");
lsParams.set("Size of Krylov Subspace",100);//default = 300
lsParams.set("Max Iterations", 100);// etait 200
lsParams.set("Tolerance", 1e-8);
lsParams.set("Output Frequency", 1);//etait 1
lsParams.set("Scaling", "None");
lsParams.set("Preconditioner Operator", "Use Jacobian");// default

I would like to point that the problem I am trying to solve is

F(V,lambda) = -V + convolution2d(J, N(lambda*V))

where N is a nonlinearity.

I have two questions:

- how do the parameters Block size and Num blocks affect the computation of the eigenvalues?

I have done the same computation in matlab with the function eigs and it is at least twice as fast.

- how can I improve the speed of the computation of my eigenvalues in Anasazi. I think this is linked to the first question.

Thank you for your help,



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